Short summary of the meeting held on 21 May 2015 and suggested names: This meeting was held to discuss the pointing of the GMRT antennas based on the data that has been gathered over the last four years (since October 2010) and logged at http://gmrt.ncra.tifr.res.in/~astrosupp/gmrtmon/pnt/pnt.php. The first two years of data have been discussed in a NCRA techinical report at http://ncralib1.ncra.tifr.res.in:8080/jspui/handle/2301/579. Collegues from the mechanical, servo, operations, academics were present for the discussion meeting. The meeting had two aims - first was to have an academic discussion to understand the trends seen in the pointing data and second was to come up with concrete plans to improve the pointing which would finally benefit astronomical observations. A. There was discussion on the origin of the observed trends in the data namely: (1) sudden jumps in the mean pointing offset (2) large and at time varying scatter on the mean offsets of an antenna (3) gradual change in the mean offset of an antenna (4) band-dependent mean offset. It was also pointed out that there were a few very good antennas. (1) Jumps - the discussion concluded that the origin has to be (a) encoder change (b) servo software update. For example C01. Correlation between the jump and encoder change has been noted for a few cases in the technical report but needs to be verified for all times. (2) Scatter - the origin has to be (a) measurement errors (b) loose mechanical elements. For example C02. The measurement errors were not favoured since some antennas which had a large scatter subsequently showed lower scatter and had likely been fixed by the mechanical group. However there was a opinion that RFI-corrupted data or low quality factor pointing offset might be contributing and should be examined. (3) Gradual change - unlike the abrupt jump in the offset value, some antennas (e.g. C06) show a gradual change in the pointing offset with time and then stabilises. The discussion appeared to conclude a mechanical origin for this. (4) Band-dependent mean offset - this was believed to be due to the FPS system. A few antennas show this problem in the elevation and azimuth pointing offset. For example W02, C09. It was suggested that the problems are likely due to misalignment of the feed stool which could cause a tilt in the feed and hence these offsets. TODO: The mechanical group will look into their log books to ascertain when mechanical work was undertaken on the antennas and the servo group will look for the dates on which servo software was updated. This information alongwith the online pointing offsets will help conclude further on the first three points mentioned above. The importance of maintaining extensive log books was stressed by Prof. Swarup. Based on their work , it will be very useful if the mechanical group could also generate a report on the fixes to the above problems. There was a suggestion that the relevant log book entries can be available on the engineering webpage. Point 4 is more involved and will need separate experiments like the one outlined by BCJ in his summary email. B. There was also discussion on coordination between the mechanical, operations and servo groups so that the problems mentioned in A(1) can be avoided. According to the current procedure, the mechanical group is responsible for changing the encoder after which the control room operations calibrates the encoder. Based on the results, any remaining mean offset is communicated to the servo group for an appropriate software update in the servo computer so that zero mean offset is seen by the control room user. It was suggested that at least five data points at L band per antenna should be taken after an encoder change so that a mean offset could be estimated. It was felt that there is some scope for improvement on the feedback mechanism and coordination. It was suggested that Nimisha will start this coordination and pass it on to Subhashis. It would be good to have a member from each group who could be involved on a more direct fashion - such as Santaji from operations, Manish Patil from mechanical and Thyagarajan from servo (I have mentioned Manish and Thyagarajan since they were present in the meeting - I request Mr. Kale and Mr. Sabhapathy to confirm this or pl. suggest other names - ngk). It was also suggested that it would be good to include all this information on the engineering webpage for quick and wide access by all groups. Santaji can work with the mechanical and servo groups accordingly. C. The other points which were discussed and possible people who could be involved are: (0) A list of reference antennas which are good e.g. C12 (El), S01 (Az), S03 (Az), S06 (Az), W03 (Az). Also worst examples of the aforementioned problems so that we have both reference antennas to aim for and problem antennas to correct - Santaji, Ishwar (1) Re-examining the pointing analysis - observing procedure, analysis software, quality factor - Subhashis, Santaji, Nimisha, Vasant (if agreeable) (2) Cross-checking results of a 2D pointing grid with 1D grids and exploring efficacy of smaller grids. - Santaji (3) Operator awareness on pointing algorithms and importance of pointing - Santaji, Subhashis (4) Removing outliers in the 4-year pointing data for estimating std dev- Santaji (5) FPS-related offsets - Santaji, Subhashis, Thyagarajan, Ishwar (6) Errors, if any, introducd by pointing model and coefficients of mechanical pointing model - Subhashis, Nimisha